Discussion with Michael Johnson 2

Second conversation on Michael Levin’s channel, covering the spectrum of consciousness down to the cell and below, implicit memory and cellular pixels of experience, Platonic space, symmetry breaking, and intrinsic versus extrinsic motivation. Johnson proposes meeting in the middle between Levin’s thought and his own: both grant cells an inner perspective, so the question becomes what kind and how much. Levin offers his test for where a first-person view starts to matter, a bowling ball on a landscape versus a mouse, and the two ask whether the Platonic forms living systems tap into are symmetry groups.